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theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 11:42:16    
ALXN - looks like it would have worked too (did not trade).

AdmiralF
53 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 11:49:44    
ALXN would either have worked or stopped you out depending on when you entered (before/after 10 CT). QCOR would have stopped out.
AF
theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 11:52:40    
quote:
Originally posted by AdmiralF
ALXN would either have worked or stopped you out depending on when you entered (before/after 10 CT). QCOR would have stopped out.
AF


I would have entered near the %r crossing the 20 on the way up with price under keltner. Best guess it would have been around 11:16est at 82.68 (that is what I wrote in my notes).
AdmiralF
53 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 12:13:51    
Thanks Tachyonv. I'm curious, when/why did you enter PRGO? It did not get near the lower Keltner channel...

Also, is OPEN a symbol that you have historically traded? It did not show up in my screen.

AF
forumhermit
41 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 12:47:22    
Tachyonv - Can I get a copy of that presentation if it is still available? I sent a pm but not sure if it is working. Thanks.
forumhermit
41 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 13:02:11    
I sent a PM last night, but I'll try again. Thank you.
theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 13:07:14    
quote:
Originally posted by tachyonv
My last screen, as mentioned earlier in this thread, was over 30 days ago, Admiralf.

Does not have to get to lower KC for entry. I also look at support, resistance, %R, candlesticks, etc., as explained in a presentation in Las Vegas at TS Conference in 2004. And at time of day, intraday cycles.

PRGO closed at target profit.


Sounds like my concept of entry is totally wrong --

4trading
3431 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 14:30:28    
quote:
Originally posted by theHook
ALXN - looks like it would have worked too (did not trade).




That's an interesting looking volume indicator theHook. If you don't mind me asking, how does it work? Volume of ticks filled at bid vs. ask or in-between?

P.S. Thanks to tachyonv for reminding me of this technique.
theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 14:44:38    
quote:
Originally posted by 4trading
quote:
Originally posted by theHook
ALXN - looks like it would have worked too (did not trade).




That's an interesting looking volume indicator theHook. If you don't mind me asking, how does it work? Volume of ticks filled at bid vs. ask or in-between?

P.S. Thanks to tachyonv for reminding me of this technique.


No - lot simpler. It shows the total volume (top of bar) colored like the bar candle, then the bottom 2 colors are the down and up volume. The yellow line is average volume. I posted this indicator on the forum somewhere a while back. I'll see if I can find it.

About half way down the page:

https://community.tradestation.com/Discussions/Topic.aspx?Topic_ID=106018
4trading
3431 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 14:58:53    
I like it. In addition to being visually appealing, it provides more information than most volume histograms.

Thanks very much theHook.

TradingDude
18643 Posts
Posted - 02/16/2012 22:12:46    
quote:
To get an idea of .52 target winrate I have written an indicator to plot the percentage winrate based on being an expert trader buying on the close of the lowest low 5min bar (If only I knew this beforehand!) before 10:30(Central) and the highest high since the lowest low bar being greater than .52. It also assumes the close of the lowest bar is less than the Open of the day but this can be changed easily to fit your own entry


quote:
Originally posted by split
Not sure if anyone is interested in this indicator but i did find an error in the way it calculated the days traded so here is an updated version which also includes inputs so can include closing at endtime.





Made another change to original code to calculate partial profits closing at 1035(Central).

Now Im getting winrates in the 80% area.

Now to find entrys near the lows......

Any help in getting it to work in Radarscreen much appreciated.


Thanks for posting. Additional Performance Stats/metrics can be added.

TradingDude

theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 10:16:03    
I did NFLX this morning for 200 shares in at 9:55est and out at 10:11est for a +.52.

In ALXN at 10:25est (may regret this one)!
split
108 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 10:33:09    
Same here, in SIM for now.

Looking forward to trading this live next week.

kevinkdog
2597 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 10:51:35    
quote:
Originally posted by theHook
I did NFLX this morning for 200 shares in at 9:55est and out at 10:11est for a +.52.

In ALXN at 10:25est (may regret this one)!


On the first one, you bought before the RSI closed above 20? That is a change from how you entering yesterday, right? I guess as tachyonv says, there is discretion. You picked a sweet entry point! Congrats
ant___
247 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 10:55:08    
TO: theHook, split and tachyonv,

Thanks for your most recent and helpful posts.

Just a couple of questions:
- theHook & split: Did either/both of you use support/resistance in your entry considerations?
- tachyonv: It's my understanding that entries w/your method should occur after 10:15 and before
10:45, but I see good entries a few bars after open, like theHook's and split's. Is the
10:15/10:45 part of the method flexible?

Thanks,
ant___
theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 11:21:34    
quote:
Originally posted by kevinkdog
quote:
Originally posted by theHook
I did NFLX this morning for 200 shares in at 9:55est and out at 10:11est for a +.52.

In ALXN at 10:25est (may regret this one)!


On the first one, you bought before the RSI closed above 20? That is a change from how you entering yesterday, right? I guess as tachyonv says, there is discretion. You picked a sweet entry point! Congrats


It appeared to be about the same approach on NFLX and it was moving up rapidilly.

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theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 11:26:54    
I chickened out on the ALXN. In at 10:25est out 11:24est for a +.29.

I broke my %R rule on this entry. The $Tick had turned green however( futures trading thing I use ) and price was turning green. A bit later I wished I had not broke my rule lol. When price recovered, I decided to exit since my original entry was not within my rules.

In other words - I got lucky!

btw, for my Keltner price, I am using a version of muddbuts close called OctalClose:

OctalClose = (O[1]+ C[1] + C) * .333333333;

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theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 12:07:36    
quote:
Originally posted by ant___
TO: theHook, split and tachyonv,

Thanks for your most recent and helpful posts.

Just a couple of questions:
- theHook & split: Did either/both of you use support/resistance in your entry considerations?
- tachyonv: It's my understanding that entries w/your method should occur after 10:15 and before
10:45, but I see good entries a few bars after open, like theHook's and split's. Is the
10:15/10:45 part of the method flexible?

Thanks,
ant___


No -- not yet -- still working on that idea! Got any?
4trading
3431 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 12:48:45    
Clearly ALXN would have been a great "Tachy Trade"* today. I wish I'd taken it. I'm getting warmed up to this method. The past 2 days I made money trading AAPL with a different technique. (It's resting today.)

Official Tachyonv workspace (as far as I can tell) except I changed the colors on the fast and slow MAs, since I'm accustomed to certain colors.

* meant in a good way

A big, big thanks to tachyonv for providing this technique.



ant___
247 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 12:51:42    
quote:
Originally posted by theHook
quote:
Originally posted by ant___
TO: theHook, split and tachyonv,

Thanks for your most recent and helpful posts.

Just a couple of questions:
- theHook & split: Did either/both of you use support/resistance in your entry considerations?
- tachyonv: It's my understanding that entries w/your method should occur after 10:15 and before
10:45, but I see good entries a few bars after open, like theHook's and split's. Is the
10:15/10:45 part of the method flexible?

Thanks,
ant___


No -- not yet -- still working on that idea! Got any?


Yes, lots of ideas...working on them as I watch these stocks.

Question on this Support/Resistance topic:
I suppose I'm simply trying to determine whether the method should look/work for entries above Yesterday's High. Or, does this stretch the method beyond reason? Tachyonv, et al, please feel free to comment too.

If the method is not stretched beyond reason, then when a stock closes above Yesterday's High, does the fact that it closed above Yesterday's High add credibility to a Long entry, or not?

Take a look at ALXN on 1/17/12 from 10:15 - 10:35. The only method criterion that this doesn't quite meet is "enter at a good price". But I interpreted "enter at a good price" to mean a low price with respect to the KB. But in the 1/17/12 case, a good price is not low with respect to KB, it's relatively high and would have worked nicely prior to 10:45 and even better before 12:30.

The %R is rising and above the OS line and it's within the times for entry.
ant___


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4trading
3431 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 12:58:26    
quote:
Originally posted by theHook


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Hi theHook:

Your $Tick histograms look sort of translucent. That's something new to me in TS. Looks great...
theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 13:25:21    
quote:
Originally posted by 4trading
quote:
Originally posted by theHook


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Hi theHook:

Your $Tick histograms look sort of translucent. That's something new to me in TS. Looks great...


Not really -- just the order of the plots.

Custom 4 Line NoPlot indicator on 9.0:

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Plot1 = Point
Plot2 = Point
Plot3 = Histogram
Plot4 = Histogram

Set point and histogram width and color to your liking.
4trading
3431 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 14:28:35    
Thanks again theHook for genrously posting your 2nd code on this thread.
bwjr
132 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 16:07:40    
Tachyonv, Thank you for starting this thread and sharing your trading methods. I made a few trades today based on your ideas. I did well on EW and ALXN, but lost most of it on RGLD because I let it drop too much. Do you pay much attention to the %R and KC on the daily chart?
AdmiralF
53 Posts
Posted - 02/17/2012 18:26:48    
tachy - using the Tradable Symbols indicator today with default settings except changing the EMA for APR to 34 (from default 21) gives the following symbols above 2.0: NFLX (tradable), STRA (rejected), GOLD (rejected), ALXN (tradable), PRGO (tradable), RGLD (tradable), and RRC (tradable). Btw, thanks again - had another good NFLX trade today.

AF
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