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Tgsts
10 Posts
Posted - 02/22/2013 16:37:51    
Disregard, I just built one. Thanks.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tgsts
Hi all, new to TS and the forum. Really interested in trying this setup, but the only range idicator I can find is ATR which I know includes gaps. Where can a newb find a good avgrange indicator for TS?

Thanks for all the hard work Tach and others.

-Tom
mushin2003
168 Posts
Posted - 02/25/2013 13:49:37    
Took 2 trades today both positive. Once again the market gapped up so 90% of all the candidate stocks were above the upper KC band. The SPY was soft so it filled the Friday gap and continued lower. Around noon stocks were setting up but SPY was still falling so I passed on these (LULU, WYNN). At 12:10 SPY was setup so I just took it using SPXL. My 1st time to trade SPXL and I quickly realized I dont like .05-.10 gaps on a 1min chart when the target is .52.

I am putting together a RadarScreen indicator to alert for potential setups the way I interpret Tach's strategy. It is mainly so I dont have to continually flip between 30+ charts every 3-5minutes trying to remember which symbol is almost setup being in conjunction with the markets moving up.

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D a v i d
1470 Posts
Posted - 02/26/2013 13:15:16    
quote:
Originally posted by tachyonv

Not many in these TS forums share their results, but am sure that there are others who do better, some a lot better. But, at least these returns are something to shoot for and exceed...please note that these returns could easily be double, if I had only traded better.


Tach,
Do you ever use SVXY or VXX as sentiment indicators?
I've found SVXY is very good at showing the level of market confidence, and significantly increases trade accuracy.
Plus, it can be traded as well.
D a v i d
1470 Posts
Posted - 02/26/2013 15:01:36    
Tach,
I thought you expressed the desire to trade better - just sharing a way.

There's more than one way to get through town, and if we can improve even 1%, we need to be open to that.

So on the stocks side of trading I have found the VIX to be very helpful to that end.
You're already watching a number of stocks, replace one with SVXY.

But I'll start another thread that illustrates this, so as not divert from the good information you have shared here - which is much appreciated.

Mathemagician
8664 Posts
Posted - 02/26/2013 22:31:25    
quote:
Originally posted by tachyonv
Profits are what matter.
Agreed. So if adding information as per the above increases profits, why not add it?
D a v i d
1470 Posts
Posted - 02/27/2013 13:41:13    

Tach,
Need some earplugs - I can hear your whisper.
Mathemagician
8664 Posts
Posted - 02/27/2013 14:16:11    
I obviously mean no disrespect, but I'm not sure you're being fair to David here. I find it to be the height of hubris that Larry omits the possibility that given the same tools someone might actually do better than he would.

This isn't exactly the proverbial room full of random people off the street. Can we at least agree that none of us has a monopoly on extracting the maximum profit from any given idea and that maybe, just maybe, one of the many extremely competent and accomplished folks floating around in here might have something of value to add?

By way of example, suppose a person had developed an algorithm that allows them to capture an extra 10 mills per share on entry and/or exit. Would adding that to the idea presented in this thread ruin its profitability or enhance it?
Honza K.
1975 Posts
Posted - 02/27/2013 14:31:12    
I have systems, that show VERY different results in live trading when adding some "harmless" filters that should enhance its profitability. I share tachys concerns about this.
Honza K.
1975 Posts
Posted - 02/27/2013 16:30:09    
quote:
Originally posted by tachyonv
+1, Honza and TY for the comment that may help some others.



Glad to "help". My observations are just such that I believe anybody trying to improve this kind of strategy will end at the beginning... Just as I did in some of my strategies that were based on time or specific price action. Tried many filters to avoid worst trades or enhance entry points etc. After all effort I realized that original is best :)

Does not mean it's impossible to improve, whatever works is fine. I just think this is not good target for playing around and making it "better" ...

BTW thanks for this thread and hope your health is improving or at least not getting worse.
D a v i d
1470 Posts
Posted - 02/27/2013 20:46:46    
Tach,

I think you're being overly touchy. SVXY was just a suggestion.
There's more than one way to skin a cat, and the day we can't be open to ideas and improvement is the day we should quit.

I read and ponder your ideas two-three times looking to glean some overlooked principle to improve my own trading method - as I'm not about to jump into somebody else's shoes.
People have different perspectives. I personally don't like KC- moved to static lines years ago.

But I understand the principle of what you are doing very well, and why it works.
Collaboration of ideas is a powerful principle. Your sharing these ideas has been very helpful for me - sorry I can't help you a little in return.

But I thank you again very much for taking the time to share.
Cammotrader
10 Posts
Posted - 02/28/2013 14:37:02    
Just follow Tachy's plan...stop tinkering and start executing...cha-ching. Thanks Tachy Attachment:DATA/20130228143553CMI.png 38631 bytes
traderts123
90 Posts
Posted - 02/28/2013 14:54:52    
Looks Great. Did you mechanize it as a strategy?

quote:
Originally posted by Cammotrader
Just follow Tachy's plan...stop tinkering and start executing...cha-ching. Thanks Tachy Attachment:DATA/20130228143553CMI.png 38631 bytes

Cammotrader
10 Posts
Posted - 02/28/2013 15:06:12    
quote:
Originally posted by traderts123
Looks Great. Did you mechanize it as a strategy?

quote:
Originally posted by Cammotrader
Just follow Tachy's plan...stop tinkering and start executing...cha-ching. Thanks Tachy Attachment:DATA/20130228143553CMI.png 38631 bytes





No...just followed the plan
traderts123
90 Posts
Posted - 02/28/2013 15:10:42    
Cammotrader: which indicators are you using in the pic?
Cammotrader
10 Posts
Posted - 02/28/2013 15:26:36    
@traderts123: Please go back and read the thread...its not really about the indicators. They more or less give you confirmation, but you do not need them. Tachy has provided all the info you need buried in this thread. Go through it carefully. All the best...
dowhk
3041 Posts
Posted - 02/28/2013 17:37:39    
OK, on the topic.

Tachyonv, would you please post the charts with your order executions on it.
I know you do not lie, but you should post those charts whenever you post your trading results.
This is because I never seen you post any chart with your order executions.
Anybody can claim bogus numbers as his/her P/L without any supporting evidence, it is easy to say numbers but it is hard and time consuming to fabricate charts. So why not post charts?

mushin2003
168 Posts
Posted - 02/28/2013 20:04:45    
I would guess dowhk's behavior is a result of the 1.5 years of user comments (justified or not) in his "Today's... Performance" thread and other postings. A retired frustrated scientist feeling ridiculed with little to no trading luck and unable to find a successful trading strategy out of the 72 running everyday. Even though this describes about 99% of the people who are highly educated and get into trading minus the 72 strategies. We all have to deal with the uncertainties and ambiguities of trading myself included.

Dowhk, it sounds like you have at least given a cursory glance at Tach's strategy. So you know he has posted a few times there is more to the strategy than a few indicators crossing, i.e. "Trader beware. There is more to this than what I have described...", "TIME/TIME OF DAY, may mean insufficient attention and understanding of it. This method is based upon repetitive human behaviors and human actions with respect to time: cycles caused by humans. ...".

While I dont understand the use of Time cycles well enough to keep my stop losses small. I did take 3 more trades using what I have learned 2 profitable and 1 b/e bringing my live trades to 6-0-1 for a week. This after some sim trading with an accuracy over 80%. I am not taking anywhere near all the possible setups mainly because with the market correlation several setups will occur simultaneously and I try to pick only 1-2 at a time.

Here are those last trades showing entry and exits.




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lks74
7 Posts
Posted - 03/03/2013 21:33:40    
This is my first night reading all of tachyonv's posts, or trying to read, on his methods, his indicators and the wonderful help he has freely give to fellow traders. A lot to absorb, and I just wanted to commend him for generously giving of his time and knowledge over the years. I clearly have some homework ahead of me, several years worth it looks like! Just want to say thanks to him!
traderts123
90 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2013 12:55:38    
Hi Split Do you have the strategy coded as a System?

quote:
Originally posted by split
Same here, in SIM for now.

Looking forward to trading this live next week.


traderts123
90 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2013 13:01:23    
Great Job! It would be nice if the indicator would also calculate the AVG High of day per time segment.
ex: calc High & Low from 9:30 till 12 and from 1:30 till close.


quote:
Originally posted by ant___
Here's a slight add-on to Kevin's KJDTimeAvgLow indicator - it now plots the earliest and the latest low times that occurred during the indicator's lookback period along with the original avg low time.
Here's the code (you may want to rename it to prevent overwriting the original):



....and a screenshot:

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mushin2003
168 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2013 14:08:44    
True Tach about the market. Which symbol(s) were you able to get to work out well today?

I have been working on a way to help me with monitoring the 30+ candidates by alerting me to "potential" setups via radarScreen but it has caused me to over trade the past 2 days, i.e I lost alittle money. So I am trying to tweak it.

I made 3 trades today: 2 in WYNN, 1 in SSO. Due to nerves for lack of a better word exited the 1st WYNN trade on a brief pullback and a lack of confidence in the market. Very little was moving up at the time though the WYNN setup looked good. I reentered WYNN based upon similar circumstances, w/the same entry price as earlier and saw it turn into a very profitable trade. Uggh yes, I realize the note about not reentering the same symbol twice...

I also am sitting in a SSO trade using it as a proxy for UPRO, SPXL due to their spread and liquidity, and I adjusted my targets accordingly.

I will post charts later today.
Rob
filmnoirtrader
5 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2013 14:38:50    
I would also like to thank Vince for the great posts and I wish you the best of health and I'm glad to see that corrective action was taken by TS to remove the annoying posts. Like lks, I'm attempting to study and learn from Vince's contributions and go from there. Good trading everyone,

Christopher


quote:
Originally posted by tachyonv
UR welcome, Lks.

Thanks to an exec at TS and the forum administrator, this thread was purged of a certain individual's completely unrelated stuff.

Today was an odd day...only a few symbols worked out well for this method. Maybe the snow in the East? Or does it portend some end to the recent move up into record DOW30 territory? Interesting thread at https://community.tradestation.com/Discussions/Topic.aspx?Topic_ID=125943&Reply_ID=658893
by Albruno. Regardless, definitely time to be careful, especially if holding overnight.
StratMan
2056 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2013 22:45:48    
quote:
Originally posted by tachyonv

Thanks to an exec at TS and the forum administrator, this thread was purged of a certain individual's completely unrelated stuff.
Good for you, Tachy. This is an awesome topic and should stay on point.

Again, many thanks for your contribution!
mushin2003
168 Posts
Posted - 03/13/2013 13:10:02    
Hi Vince,
Can you share when you entered in the CERN and TDC trades? CERN seems to have traded in a tight narrow channel most of the day. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Rob
MikeNeu
140 Posts
Posted - 03/14/2013 11:59:48    
Is this correct = the rules for the risk/reward for this model or strategy is 1:1? Your reward is $.52 with a stop of $.52?

Thanks,
Mike
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