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TMAN1959
379 Posts
Posted - 01/04/2013 22:36:06    
Place your cursor over the symbol column, right click, click on "Format All Symbols." The next window that opens will allow you to set the whole column to whichever timeframe you chose.
nabusafa
11 Posts
Posted - 01/05/2013 00:17:14    
Thank you TMAN1959. I finally got it to run the way it was intended to do. I only got 7 stocks that met the criteria. I will have to backtest these symbols over the weekend. Cheers!

Jim
nabusafa
11 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2013 22:57:26    
Did anyone see any trade setups today using the tachyonv method? I did not with the 8 symbols im watching.
pirate114
13 Posts
Posted - 01/07/2013 23:31:28    
OPEN at 10:00 ET
RRC at 10:00 ET
ALXN at 10:00 ET (this one would qualify for the 30% that do not achieve the full .52 gain)
NFLX from market open until 10:00 ET

All of these symbols worked using this method today. Haven't checked the Tradable Symbols filter results lately to see if these symbols are still valid.

Keep studying this thread (I still do) and remember this from Tachyonv (paraphrased and taken out of context, sorry):


quote:
tachyonv: Does not have to get to lower KC for entry. I also look at support, resistance, %R, candlesticks, time of day, intraday cycles. Entry time is flexible. Including pre-market.
nickm001
1463 Posts
Posted - 01/08/2013 06:52:02    
Tach, great to hear that you are recovering and optimistic about getting back to trading.

Good luck!
nabusafa
11 Posts
Posted - 01/13/2013 01:23:06    
How is one to know when to exit the trade if price does'nt hit target? This is based on what? Kernel Channels, MA, S/R?
MAtricks
1425 Posts
Posted - 01/13/2013 01:27:18    
"Intraday Volatility Method. Target $500 profit." ?
TradingDude
18643 Posts
Posted - 01/13/2013 09:25:51    
quote:
Originally posted by nabusafa
How is one to know when to exit the trade if price does'nt hit target? This is based on what? Kernel Channels, MA, S/R?


Read first post:

quote:
Trade:

- Buy 1,000 shares at a low price between the open and 10:45 AM Central. Much of the time, the best prices are between 9:15 AM Central and 10:30 AM Central.

- Sell 1,000 shares after price has risen $0.52/share, the two pennies to cover commissions.

- Price will not necessarily bounce up that much. Exit regardless by 12:35 PM Central. Exception: on a moderate to strong bullish day, use a tight trailing stop, or visually monitor to exit, let it run to a larger profit. Do not let the price gain drop below $.52 on such a day. Once profitable do not let price drop into a loss.



quote:
- Judgment is required for entry and exit, watching the indicators and time
GrumpyTrader
464 Posts
Posted - 01/14/2013 12:14:34    
Here is a little indicator that i made that can help ...

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It is a simple indicator that shows when the distribution of the high / low of a price series for the day. It either graphs the distribution or cumulative probability. I did this a while ago after reading some book that talked about trading the probabilities that a high or low is in place for the day. The problem with this approach is that you don't know if it is a high or low that has been put in. It became useful and tradable for me when I began to filter the proabilities by the days patterns and seasonality(similar to what tachyonv is referring to).

Distribution


Cumulative


ZachE
640 Posts
Posted - 01/25/2013 20:54:59    
quote:
Originally posted by tachyonv
Oops, changed my miswording above to vertical bands, instead of horizontal. However, Grumpytrader's indicator is of definite interest and a good start, if from an oblique side, to the concept of using time as more important data than price and volume.

Human behavior is driven by time, to a surprisingly large degree, if one thinks about it. When we wake, when we eat, when we sleep, when we relax or play. And in many other ways. Human behavior drives the markets mostly. Time drives human behavior, including program trading tools used by large institutions.

Therefore, an entire class of undeveloped tool opportunities awaits - time based trade analysis, a whole different class of technical analysis. The intraday cycles spreadsheet is a good starting point towards developing these tools.


Fantastic Thread.

Cool indicator above...

I've been studying time a fair bit messing and tried to come up with a way to figure what bar intervals could trade the current bar. Then... Align volume to time to see if there was a relationship. The two indicators below might be helpful, I haven't figured what to make of the outputs and how to make profitable trade decisions off of them, but they might make sense to you.



The blue line is volume standardized over the last 30 minutes, a histogram of volume below it is present in the screenshot to show how standardized volume relates to absolute values. I opened up a programming book to try to figure out a better way to sort values than the way I used in the second indicator...

I can't say that it has helped me to see much about time frames and how they relate to price movement, other than blow my assumptions out of the water that volume enters at specified times, because of the time scale other traders are using to study their charts and place their orders.





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This is an indicator that does a cumulative minute by minute study of volume, over the length of your chart. It is a brute force method, and only generates a printlog on the lastbar of the chart that is comma separated so you can copy it into excel and manipulate the values. The list at the bottom that is in green is just so if you want to build something else, you don't have to do nearly as much typing to get the ball rolling, Arrays for this purpose were slow as watching grass grow if you want to go back years. It is set up that 9:31 is minute 1 and 1600 is minute 390... which makes it easier to translate into session times for other purposes than eastern standard. The output is Accumulated Volume of that Minute, over the length of the chart Divided by 1000.




4trading
3431 Posts
Posted - 01/31/2013 14:21:31    
A whole lot of coding Zach.

Great job Vince. You're on fire. Most hedge funds would call your January a great year!
D a v i d
1470 Posts
Posted - 02/01/2013 15:32:03    

Nice trading Vince.

Wondering how you calculate your %? - what is the accepted standard measurement of % return?

Total account size?
Margin required?
Market cost of the asset?
Other?

Thanks.
theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/05/2013 23:32:33    
wtg!
Cammotrader
10 Posts
Posted - 02/14/2013 14:49:34    
Great job Vince!

What pleases me the most is that you are healthy again and back on the board. We all greatly appreciate your contributions and willingness to share with others. All the best.
theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 02/15/2013 14:30:17    
Thanks for the info Tach.

Hook
ZachE
640 Posts
Posted - 02/15/2013 16:39:48    
quote:
Originally posted by tachyonv

Caveat: A recent (for me) fly in the ointment is "The Motley Fool". Majority of its articles are negative. Tends to drive an individual equity symbol down for one to several days, in recent months. Tends to make its negative comments self fulfilling prophecies. Good idea to check premarket on Yahoo! for each symbol, to see if the "Fool" has just assassinated any symbols you intend to trade - whether with this method or any other.



... Wish Tradestation had the ability to bring in news feeds... and use those assassination attempts as entries if the fundamentals are still strong.

Grin.

Zach
DBDHT
452 Posts
Posted - 02/18/2013 18:25:06    
Tach:
In that post you referenced High Beta stocks list....
Either I missed it or can't find it....what is that high beta setting?

Thanks
traderts123
90 Posts
Posted - 02/21/2013 17:18:02    
Thank you all for your great input and of course my hats off to Tachyonv for starting this thread.

Is there any code to test theHook's "Attacking/Coming to price" methods?

quote:
Originally posted by theHook
This may be off subject a bit and tach if you wish for me to remove the post just say the word and I will.

When reveiwing the k channel on several of the stocks indicated by this method this weekend, I noticed if the price was "attacking" the channel in a lot of cases this would be a good trade. If the channel came to the price, then it was better to wait for an enter. We had an example of each of these, this morning.

Now - disclaimer, listen to tach, not me. He knows a lot more about this trading method than me. Do your own analysis. I need to study this more.

Price Attacking the Channel:



Channel Coming to Price:



mushin2003
168 Posts
Posted - 02/21/2013 18:56:55    
Hi traderts123,
I havent see any code for that idea. The lower KC band though will always move towards falling prices. Though once price bars become bullish they will per se "attack" the lower band. I think if you have an opening gap down and a price rally you will see a similar type of movement.

One of the more trickier aspects of the strategy is discerning which %R signals will yield a profitable trade. As seen in my own trading and using theHooks 2nd pic there were 2 %R crosses of the lower 20 boundary along w/a bullish price candle at the lower KC band that would have been stopped out assuming you are using the LOD for a stop. Deciding which of the setups are valid is a key point.
R
4trading
3431 Posts
Posted - 02/21/2013 19:12:26    
quote:
Originally posted by traderts123
Thank you all for your great input and of course my hats off to Tachyonv for starting this thread.

Is there any code to test theHook's "Attacking/Coming to price" methods?


It is tachyonv's method. He has posted his Keltner Channels and volume indicators. There is no "Attacking/Coming to price" indicator, other than tachyonv's indicators.

traderts123
90 Posts
Posted - 02/21/2013 20:17:54    
That is correct tachyonv great method is kc and vol indicator. However precise entry could be enhanced. And even more perhaps a breakout could be added with code for "attack / coming to price".
TradingDude
18643 Posts
Posted - 02/21/2013 20:32:35    
quote:
Originally posted by traderts123
That is correct tachyonv great method is kc and vol indicator. However precise entry could be enhanced. And even more perhaps a breakout could be added with code for "attack / coming to price".


What do you suggest for precise entry and a breakout?

Your contribution on specific enhancements would be appreciated.

traderts123
90 Posts
Posted - 02/21/2013 21:18:41    
If we can define in code an "attack" pattern as a condition for entry vs "coming to price" as a condition for follow thru as a breakout entry
mushin2003
168 Posts
Posted - 02/22/2013 12:42:35    
Here are 2 more trades I made a little while ago in SHW and JOY. Imo, I think patience in waiting to see some SPY strength is key to a good entry and helps with the overall success of this strategy. An obstacle I have run into is getting fixated in trying to obtain a .52 target on each trade. There are alot of variables working against a fixed target like the stock's current day volatility (even though it is somewhat accounted for in the screening process), the spread, prior resistance levels, continued market strength after entry. Along with the "dont let a winner turn into a loser", i.e. if you are up .26+ cents and it falls back to your entry do you exit or ride it out?

Tach as is mentioned several times in this thread exits prior to a .52 target and he has posted like 25 different exit strategies. So imo, trying to consistently make one of them probably will reduce the effectiveness of the strategy. I would like to hear from other users of the strategy and any trades you want to share.

Rob
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Tgsts
10 Posts
Posted - 02/22/2013 16:07:44    
Hi all, new to TS and the forum. Really interested in trying this setup, but the only range idicator I can find is ATR which I know includes gaps. Where can a newb find a good avgrange indicator for TS?

Thanks for all the hard work Tach and others.

-Tom
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