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yitana
171 Posts
Posted - 03/28/2012 17:04:32    
Hello Quark. Firt, thank for your advice about the OSO.Yes, i have the telephone num of the TS's office and also i have an other computer, but lucky my internet use to work good.
Yesterday and today i didn't have good trades. Anyway i 'm still learning. i would like to capture the screen but for a problem on my computer i had to reset my system and my Snagit was lost. I need to find it again.
But i will tell you:
Yesterday i 've made similar trade than Split (not same but for minutes)
"ALXN @ 10:56(EDT) out at 12:40 + .52 longest trade for me using this method."
But i also have entried on REGN at 11:10 at $118.35 and the LowKC was $118.66, the price tried to reverse but was a fake, also the %R tried to cross but turned seconds after, and i was inside the trade. I should put an SL at the Low of a bar before at $117.92, but i didn't and after i found myself i can't set the rule to go out and i exit at $117.28.
Today something similar happen: i entried on NFLX at 10:05 at $119.80.I saw the price out of KC and reversing after with a green candle entering to the KC, the %R was crossing, the only thing didn't mach was the Time parameter that was early, but as i saw some traders and also Tachy that sometimes do this, i entried anyway, and again was a fake, i supported more than $1 losses because the price was still out of the KC and in a moment that the price recover a little i close the SL and let the trade finish at 11:30 $119.07.
I felt ansious, i didn't enjoy the trade, having 2 days in a row lossing.
I will tried to analize and learn from my mystakes. I know today the dow felt a lot but at the time i have entried it was still flat.
In my case i need to build more strong rules for the exit.
That's it!!! Sorry if my english is not very good.
benuchcale
32 Posts
Posted - 03/28/2012 21:55:11    
Why is the SL set to a dollar value? It doesn't make sense specially if you are trading based on price movement. SL should be determined by the estimated place where support would be broken. Then depending where you entered your trade you will determine how many shares are needed to risk you $1000.00
Ainigma
16 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 09:29:30    
MAKO appears worthy of serious consideration IMHO & YF beta is 0.37. Had two DOWN days...
yitana
171 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 10:06:59    
quote:
Originally posted by benuchcale
Why is the SL set to a dollar value? It doesn't make sense specially if you are trading based on price movement. SL should be determined by the estimated place where support would be broken. Then depending where you entered your trade you will determine how many shares are needed to risk you $1000.00


I think as you, but is true i've made some goods trades because the $1 SL, and is true that on intradays trades a lot of people can have a 1-2 win/loss ratio.
Anyway the statistics will tell if one or other. Is difficult if you have 2 losses, you need 4 win trades to recover.
I took the decision to put an SL just a few pennies below the pivot (made when the price return), maybe the ratio will be 1-1, and in the future when i be more confortable with my entries and i can assure a 80% winning trades, i will go to $1 for the SL.
quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 10:24:47    
DJ is down -60 ES is down -10.25
Tripk
28 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 11:20:06    
GMCR in 10:52 47.56 out 11:08 48.09 +.53 (SIM)
used .25 trailing stop
TradingDude
18964 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 11:23:02    
quote:
Originally posted by Ainigma
I had a link that went to page 19 the last couple days.... hadn't thought there were any more posts after stratman's that day, only figured out we were on pg 21 this a.m. when I posted a MAKO note (see above) then said doh! I have to get caught up now!

I Want to post a chart, can't figure out how you get an image in here... I HAVE A KILLER chart for MAKO, entry signal, exit signal, and want to post some Fib info too. How do you upload images here???????


Forum tour - #5 Images

https://community.tradestation.com/support/tour/inserting_images.shtm
quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 14:38:03    
quote:
- For each symbol, set up one desktop containing Time and Sales window; 5 minute interval chart; daily interval chart; week interval chart; each with the default number of bars. Format bars to candlesticks. Add Keltner Channels All indicator to top pane of each chart. %R to middle pane. Volume Exponential Average indicator to bottom pane.



I don't know for certain but I think the daily/weekly charts are for other strategies...swing trades, etc.

Is your "rule" re: not entering a downtrend a "hard rule" or do you give that some flexibility? I personally would have entered a trade on NFLX on the 1225 EDT bar on the close. If I am wrong please tell me your idea, if you care to explain. Being a discretionary trader I believe all rules can be bent/broken, depending upon the market situation/conditions and most importantly the tape. To me I will willingly throw out/adapt visually the KC...% R if the tape shows me something different.

It's interesting that your first "indicator" listed on your workspace/desktop was the time and sales window...I agree 100%.

BTW I like how you have your stoploss set....I think it works extremely well for the volatility in the equities...especially when you are trading multiple instruments. I would probably do something different for the futures markets...it's obvious you spent quite some time deciding the "optimal" stoploss based upon the multiple instruments/symbols.
yitana
171 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 15:18:04    
Quark, since i'm intersting on building a rule for the SL, i would like to know BTW set his SL. ALso, i didn't use the Time &sales window, what do you expect to see exactly to determine an entry or not.
mudbutt
3466 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 16:25:41    
DON'T REPLY TO THIS POST, start a new one.

Rate Of Change.

My computer is a P.O.S.
When it's fixed I'll re post the code in a code box.
If this is the wrong forum, I'll delete and move it.

Nothing special, just a little easier on the eyes.
Made it GapLess, and used a different calc for ROC than what TS is using.

I don't know how the $TICK responds to individual stocks.
Here I'm using it as a timing device.

Attachment:DATA/20120329162137mud.82.jpg 233168 bytes

tks TD for the repost!
quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 16:32:01    
mud

I got a little confused....you use "daprice" and "deprice" what is the difference for the newbies as you know one is an input and one is a varible?


Can you start a new thread ???
mudbutt
3466 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 16:35:58    
daPrice is vernacular specific to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, brought over by the Finn's. :)
dePrice is French. :)

daPrice is an input: 1, 2, or 3
1 = {gapless close}
2 = {median price}
3 = {mudbutt close}

dePrice is a variable that represents the type of price you want to evaluate.
quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 16:41:34    
mud

you are so funny..BTW (by the way) you were onto a great concept a couple of years ago...thanks I use it daily...mud has had wonderful concepts...read his threads and posts.
TradingDude
18964 Posts
Posted - 03/29/2012 18:27:55    

quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 03/30/2012 08:36:39    
Ainigma

Out of respect for tachyonv's kind sharing and to remained focused on his ideas would you mind starting a new thread and move your posts here to that thread...No offense meant.
Thank you

ByTheWay I look forward to your teaching, as well. Just a suggestion please keep your topic under "Trade and Money Management" section.

I just caught my typo error when I read Tripk's post below....sorry Ainigma...edit at 930
Tripk
28 Posts
Posted - 03/30/2012 09:27:39    
Looks very interesting and something new to me, so i look forward to learning and reviewing your ideas.
I'll look for your new thread per Quarks suggestion and follow you there.

TK

quote:
Originally posted by Ainigma
quote:
Originally posted by Ainigma
quote:
Originally posted by Tripk

Ainigma - interested in hearing more on the Fibs, i'm testing a pane with Fibs plotted from previous day Hi/Low.


Attachment:DATA/20120330082316Fib that drove a Mar 27 trade entry with exit at 61 pt 8 percent Fib level.jpg 176922 bytes
Attachment:DATA/20120330082331GMCR Recent Fib signal with Fib ratio MACD.jpg 169960 bytes

I passed on GMCR recently though noted this Fibonacci study regarding Mar 27. While the MAKO Fib was drawn 2 days back for a starting point, this symbol necessitated a start further back from an End of Day close that was higher than the price action since such a point could be found. Merrill 'M' patterns work especially well with this. Arthur Merrill, book 'Filtered Waves' has been a catalyst in my work. Much of this is culminating in developing a current options strategy that is being tested. NOTE THE rough Fibonacci ratios on this GMCR 250 Tick chart in contrast to the Fib rations used on the 5 Tick MAKO chart in my other recent post. Tick chart after the Gap MACD triggers an entry with Fib retracement driven exit which is at a higher retracement cycle than the MAKO as additional days were added to start the beginning of the Fib, thus a higher retracement 62.8 instead of the 38.2 was hit.
A.

bwjr
132 Posts
Posted - 03/30/2012 19:50:16    
IDCC 35.05@1035E +0.36
OPEN 40.14@1030E +0.44
quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2012 10:47:22    
split

did you get the NFLX trade at 940 edt @ 110.00?
theHook
3846 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2012 12:01:59    
did not get a chance to look this morning until around 11 edt.

Got in NFLX on 11:05edt bar at 110.10 out 11:35edt bar at 110.62 +.52
quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2012 12:11:46    
Hook

just curious...I was wondering how many people are actually trading this concept...has it affected the fills because I have noticed on NFLX the insidebid/ask is at times only 100-400 and I would think people trading 1000 share lots would have difficulty???

What are the bidsize/asksize on the other symbols that meet tachyonv's tradable stocks list?
theHook
3846 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2012 12:17:58    
quote:
Originally posted by quark
Hook

just curious...I was wondering how many people are actually trading this concept...has it affected the fills because I have noticed on NFLX the insidebid/ask is at times only 100-400 and I would think people trading 1000 share lots would have difficulty???

What are the bidsize/asksize on the other symbols that meet tachyonv's tradable stocks list?



I have not had a fill problem but I am only trading 200 shares at the moment. Just have not paid any attention to the bid / ask to-date.

That said, you make a great point. Hopefully someone trading more shares can share.
quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2012 13:23:43    
bwjr and others what size are you trading and have you had problems with fills.....these are the symbols mentioned on early pages by tachyonv and others?

Are you using market orders (how is the slippage) or limit orders for entry?

Are you taking the ask or hitting the bid hoping to get filled?



quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2012 15:57:48    
amazing!

NFLX has a bidsize/asksize of 100/100 with a spread of .05....which is one of the higher volume symbols @ 2,600,000 today!

tachyonv how do you deal with this if you are trading 200-1000 shares/trade???

Hook was trading 200 shares/trade today but with a book of 100/100 what happens...

I don't trade equities....are there iceberg orders...or synthetic icebergs covering hidden liquidity???

Do you lower your target....what do you do with stoplosses?
quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2012 16:43:40    
thanks...tachyonv

tachyonv...just curious..are there iceberg orders in stocks...like in futures?

And there is no problem getting fills of 1000 or if ten people trade a total of 10,000 shares getting filled at the ask price...correct?
quark
5854 Posts
Posted - 04/05/2012 17:13:06    
tachyonv

so if I understand... you basically take the ask on entry (limit order) and on exit you have a standing bracket at your target price.....now on exit do you simply wait for a fill or do you chase a retracement and take less of a profit...how low do you allow a retracement before bailing out?


From my perspective the only way you make money, scalping is on trade and money management....which has nothing to do with a strategy of entry.
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