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yitana
171 Posts
Posted - 03/21/2012 13:10:14    
Hello, just to say thank you, i had jumped one step: Select those symbols having $2.00 or greater recent APR. I found now just 5 symbols. Just will keep triying, i like the system, thanks Tachyonv for sharing it.
TradingDude
18643 Posts
Posted - 03/21/2012 13:22:53    
quote:
Originally posted by theHook
I agree -- but I don't have RadarScreen so my post have been removed.


RadarScreen is FREE with the minimum trades per month 5,000 shares (2,500 in and 2,500 out) or 10 roundturns per month.

TradingDude

theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 03/21/2012 14:16:31    
quote:
Originally posted by TradingDude
quote:
Originally posted by theHook
I agree -- but I don't have RadarScreen so my post have been removed.


RadarScreen is FREE with the minimum trades per month 5,000 shares (2,500 in and 2,500 out) or 10 roundturns per month.

TradingDude




I use TS but trade somewhere else!
TradingDude
18643 Posts
Posted - 03/21/2012 14:24:22    
quote:
Originally posted by theHook
quote:
Originally posted by TradingDude
quote:
Originally posted by theHook
I agree -- but I don't have RadarScreen so my post have been removed.


RadarScreen is FREE with the minimum trades per month 5,000 shares (2,500 in and 2,500 out) or 10 roundturns per month.

TradingDude




I use TS but trade somewhere else!


For general information:

Me too, but trade enough to cover Platform and Radarscreen fees/costs...Subscriber Platform Fee plus Exchange Fees gets real expensive...

Tradestation Subscription: $249.95 / month
Limited to simulated trading

Brokerage $99/month PLatform Fee

Otherwise, looking at over $400 per month...$5,000 plus per year...

Trade YM or NQ for 1 or a 2 tick profit...covers commisions, $100 Platform Fee plus $59 RadarScreen...

1 tick in ES, even the micro Euro (M6EM12) for $1.25 per tick can be traded to cover costs without any significant $$$ risk...


makes economic sense for me....
split
108 Posts
Posted - 03/21/2012 15:29:02    
For those interested in searching on Beta, Yahoo has a nice java app which includes Beta as a search critera

http://screener.finance.yahoo.com/newscreener.html
split
108 Posts
Posted - 03/22/2012 12:58:23    
Not so good today.

Only been trading NFLX recently but thought I should try some other symbols for practice and diversification. Only traded small size as still practicing.

WPI - .17
GMCR +.08 Got to +.30 so trailed a stop.
NFLX +.03 Took 3 entrys, first 2 small loss then 3rd went to +.52 target (this is outside the method mentioned by tachyonv as should only be 1 trade per symbol per day but been doing quite well on NFLX, untill today)
BIIB -.47 (.17 slippage on stop order) Wish TS had stoplimit orders in charttrader, would have got filled at stop as price emmediatley bounced back to stop position.


Been good practice though with multiple positions.

Of course the 2 entry's after my exits went to target on NFLX and GMCR
tachyonv
6655 Posts
Posted - 03/22/2012 13:10:36    
FWIW I usually skip trading this method on days when the DOW is down over 50 points.
quark
5853 Posts
Posted - 03/22/2012 13:30:32    
split

what times did you enter/exit?....which time zone
split
108 Posts
Posted - 03/22/2012 13:31:25    
fair point tachyonv, looking back through the post seems you have mentioned this before.

typical I should try trading multiple symbols on a bad day.

Will put it on my no trade days list.
split
108 Posts
Posted - 03/22/2012 13:51:16    
quote:
Originally posted by quark
split

what times did you enter/exit?....which time zone


quark Here you go...

trades are in GMT so take off 4hrs for exchange trade time (EDT) I think


quark
5853 Posts
Posted - 03/22/2012 14:08:15    
split we went EDT Mar 11 and you change this weekend on the 25th



Currently GMT:18:07
EDT:14:07
Frankfurt :19:07
yitana
171 Posts
Posted - 03/22/2012 14:38:14    
Hello Tachyonv, today i tried GMCR at 0955 East time at $55.12. Things didn't go well. For the future, i won't entry in a down day, may take the Dow down more than 50 points to not entry, as part of this system.
But i put an Stop Loss, $1 dollar down. So, the SL still doesn't touched (very close to) but i could go out at the breakeven 1230, and i didn't thinking that on this recover things could go in my favor. After, if i have to go out at 0130, the price is so close the SL that i let it run, but SL didn't touched and i'm still taking a round on the same trade.
The question, how you take the decision to go out in this case? And other thing: the green dot on your KCAll indicator is the better signal to entry according this indicator (of course without looking the %R)? Thank you. (English is not my language, sorry if you find some mystakes).
tachyonv
6655 Posts
Posted - 03/22/2012 14:49:56    
yitana I do not pay any attention to the green dots on the KC All indicator. I would not have entered today (and did not enter today), so would not have the decision to make, regarding when to exit.
split
108 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 11:26:27    
quark, if your interested

A bit better today.

GMCR +.12 Stop too tight
ALXN -.31
NFLX +76 Stop too tight on 2nd half



quark
5853 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 11:43:15    
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may I make a suggestion...set your trading computer to either Central Daylight (Texas...tachyonv's zone) or Eastern Daylight (New York City time). Review your trades and tachyonv's suggestions. Both GMCR and ALXN were winning trades if you waited a little longer before entering, if I am not mistaken. Review intraday cycles as well. Time and cycles can get confusing at times.
yitana
171 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 15:31:09    
I m following this method since one week, i found it very interesting and profitable (after triying and triying with automated strategies that seems to works for a period or on the backtesting but make me broke my head with EL to not reach the goal)...QUESTION: i just want to ask if somebody develope a good money management (rules) for exits with Stop loss, or the decidion is totally personal, going out -0.50 or -0.25 if the trade dosn't go in the way we expect.
quark
5853 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 17:11:43    
yitana

Please read tachyonv rules on the first pages. He developed this strategy...read and study his rules...I believe the key to this strategy being 85-90+% correct depends upon the correct entry time.

Remember this is a discretionary approach to the market...non-automated.

I believe you can keep the stoploss < 1.00 IF you enter correctly, understand the strategy/indicators and ???????exit (based on the indicators) if the trade turns against you before the stoploss of 1.00 is hit. Please clarify the last idea (early exit)with tachyonv before taking my word...that's simply what I do...sometimes I reverse my position....Note, this is very important, tachyonv NEVER spoke about reversing his position.

I am giving some advice/suggestions since I am a discretionary trader and do not use automated strategies. Remember I trade futures and not equities so do not take my word as the "truth". I am responding since tachyonv said he is occupied with other things and may not be on the forum some times.

just a question...it your name yitana or gitana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL8-8badzks

split
108 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 18:03:52    
quark

I agree that the key to this system is entering at the 'correct time' but also entering on a limit order, the slippage can be quite severe if using stop entrys.

With NFLX there can be 2-4 opportunities in the first 2hrs so you have a resonable chance to get one but on other symbols I have watched and done some basic testing, there is maybe only 1 chance and the 'correct entry' time seems to be a changing target. I can see that generally the best entry is between the times mentioned on the first page of this post but along the way there might be a couple of false entry points.As you have mentioned in the cycles post, understanding cycles can help to avoid losing trades.

Thing is, I have no idea of which cycle the market is in.

I'm sure it will click soon



quark
5853 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 18:24:28    
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study the excel speadsheet that tachyonv posted...it is very reasonable. Ask yourself "why"....when you have the answer you will see when you can enter early...when you should hold off and wait. I doubt tachyonv, will give you the "whys"...read his posts carefully over this weekend. Hint: I bet next week will be better for you...cycles shift.
split
108 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 18:42:35    
quark,

I have to admit, I have never investigated WHY? the times are important. Read the xls many times but probably been thinking about it the wrong way by trying to backtest the next best entry I can think of based on the times.

Will give it some more reading and thought.

cheers
quark
5853 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 18:48:52    
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Hint: note when tachyonv first posted the excel file (what year)....how were the markets then...how are the markets in 2012.

again this is discretionary scalping....I don't care what the optimization was in 1987 or 1992 or whatever...I am a scalper I only care about how is the market today / or how was the market the last x number of days ago.


split hope you and your family have a peaceful and relaxing weekend

quark
migleve
13 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 20:14:08    



I've been using the Tachyonv technique with the hull moving average (https://community.tradestation.com/Discussions/Topic.aspx?Topic_ID=40589) to better identification of the lowest price. I usually buy when the price crosses above the HMA to confirm I am in the lowest price. I've been cheking it with NFLX, PANL, OPEN with a good correlation.

I hope it helps someone

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yitana
171 Posts
Posted - 03/23/2012 23:32:51    
Quark,

Thank you for anwer me. I have read the rules of Tachyonv, but since english is not my languages maybe my understanding is about 80%.Some words or states scape of my knowdlegde even if i search on a dictionary. Anyway i think i understood most of the rules, and i m not having problems with the entries but yesterday (march22) i entried on GMCR and things didnt go in my favor and i have felt skirt because the SL of $1 compared with a target of 0.50; first i have to said that i should avoid entry on very down days, also i can take the idea from The Hook about the price should attack the KC and not the KC come to the price. But i was looking on this post that most of the traders posting the trades, cut the bad trades before the $1 that propose Tach.Other way it cost 2 good trades to recover 1 bad trade. Of course Tachy talk about an SL of $1 or about going out at 1.30 exchange time. But if someone have other reason to cut the trade to not have a 2-1 risk -reward i would prefere. When the price turn back it always make a pivot, i was thinking maybe to can cut the trade if the price goes down of this pivot floor. Any suggestions are welcome!
About my name is Yitana, i m also a singer like shakira, and have my own web site, but just for hobby!!!
benuchcale
32 Posts
Posted - 03/25/2012 22:02:39    
quote:
Originally posted by yitana
Quark,

Thank you for anwer me. I have read the rules of Tachyonv, but since english is not my languages maybe my understanding is about 80%.Some words or states scape of my knowdlegde even if i search on a dictionary. Anyway i think i understood most of the rules, and i m not having problems with the entries but yesterday (march22) i entried on GMCR and things didnt go in my favor and i have felt skirt because the SL of $1 compared with a target of 0.50; first i have to said that i should avoid entry on very down days, also i can take the idea from The Hook about the price should attack the KC and not the KC come to the price. But i was looking on this post that most of the traders posting the trades, cut the bad trades before the $1 that propose Tach.Other way it cost 2 good trades to recover 1 bad trade. Of course Tachy talk about an SL of $1 or about going out at 1.30 exchange time. But if someone have other reason to cut the trade to not have a 2-1 risk -reward i would prefere. When the price turn back it always make a pivot, i was thinking maybe to can cut the trade if the price goes down of this pivot floor. Any suggestions are welcome!
About my name is Yitana, i m also a singer like shakira, and have my own web site, but just for hobby!!!

Pretty good. "Eres mi alma".
quark
5853 Posts
Posted - 03/26/2012 05:39:23    
yitana

You are correct about the win to loss ratio. To break even this strategy needs to be at least a 67-70% correct to include commissions. As tachyonv wrote earlier you should be 80-93% correct with this strategy. I would guess tachyonv is between 90-95% correct because of his experience. Many scalping strategies require a larger stoploss than profit...but that's OK with a high winning percentage.

This morning my wife listened to some of your tunes and was reminded of Selena...(naturally NOT Selena Gomez).
(ultimo concierto de Selena) we both enjoy Cumbia


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ7ULHI8rHs&feature=related


Ultimo concierto de Selena in HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=7SxbeQj2pAw&v=4QiHzNFKw9I&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_381314

(may need to copy and paste)

My favorite female aritist is/was Soraya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQjPHN7OnEQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5emg_hl3Mcc&feature=related

sorry tachyonv about getting off topic


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