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bwjr
132 Posts
Posted - 03/02/2012 16:05:59    
Today was not good for me. 3 stopped out, 1 small profit take, and 3 small losses. It didn't help that I exited on the market's low of day at 1:30E.
cam111
13 Posts
Posted - 03/02/2012 16:21:30    
...how does that saying go. Experience is a hard task-master, but a fool will learn by no other? For those who have offered guidance "thank you" and you'll be pleased to know that I closed all positions by the close today(not so sure I'm thrilled about the outcome though). An have chalked today up to a very expensive lesson of when to enter and when to just sit tight and watch. I did a scan last night and charted/sorted out the details an came up with 5 options for the day NFLX, JAZZ, GMCR, HUM, and ALXN. Talk about an exercise in buying high and selling low! I watched from the open, and waited, and waited and then finally when NFLX, ALXN and GMCR were still going up at around 9:20 (central)I bought in and held on. With each slight uptick most staggered and corrected slightly, like it was coming back, but to no avail. So today I have given back aroun 5K to the pool. That said however, in the long run it is probably better than being down double that on monday with either a slow start or a gap down over bad news. Hope some of ya'll did better. Looks like I'm reading and studying how to enter and exit over the weekend!
cadi786
2856 Posts
Posted - 03/03/2012 13:07:14    

mktdwid
8 Posts
Posted - 03/03/2012 13:14:25    
Thanks for the thread tachyonv...will study it the rest of the weekend...had a TS account several years ago and it's good to be back.
ottrader
72 Posts
Posted - 03/03/2012 15:23:13    
cam111, are you talking about scanning daily for candidates using tachyonv method or your own method? also, is that 5K loss from today or from whatever you were carrying? my only advice left to you would be to stop trading size. Even if you have the money and can afford losing 5K a day, dont... there is no reason for that...trade 100 shares and dont average in anything... try tachyonv method with 100 shares until you get it right... those are my final words to you as advice in the spirit's of sharing as tach has done..

bwjr, that is life... a few of my trades became profitable towards close, but never assume that will always be the case, it could have just continued going lower and lower... so am happy with the small loss ... I made money trading commodities today so is not like the day or week was a loss...

benuchcale, I use marketdelta as my single charting platform with IQfeed.. it is fast, easy to customize and write indicators for, and it consumes very little resources even with 20+ charts up... systems design and back testing is somewhat limited, but allows for quick prototyping of ideas..
nirvana
27 Posts
Posted - 03/03/2012 17:22:30    
Used patience with ALXN and made my goal, but waited till near end of session. Blindly went into RRC, but in retrospect I should have avoided this energy related stock with the underpinnings of the strong dollar. Overnight positions dont usually worry me as long as I have some type of hedge in my short term or long term portfolio. It was a very odd day as Fridays can sometimes be that way.
cam111
13 Posts
Posted - 03/03/2012 23:28:22    
OK Team, I could use some suggestions with entry/exit for this strategy. Am I trying to buy at the lowest price point or trying to catch an upswing? With the stocks that move alot (NFLX) I would get stopped out at a 2x trailing stop only to see it climb past the profit target. Tach instructed to not let a profitable trade turn into a loss. What is an appropriate trailing stop and/or is there another profit preserving strategy?

Ottrader - thanks. No, that was my beating for the day. Psycologically I'm looking at it with the view that a loss with a closed position is better than starting a new day with a losing position. Fact of the matter is that I have ground to make up, so why restrict myself to trying to make it up on that very position. Hope that's the best way to approach it.

Thanks again for the feedback/suggestion, I'll pull back to 100 share lots.
ottrader
72 Posts
Posted - 03/04/2012 09:14:45    
quote:
Originally posted by cam111
OK Team, I could use some suggestions with entry/exit for this strategy. Am I trying to buy at the lowest price point or trying to catch an upswing?


please read the first post... all your questions were answered there thus far. I will highlight/summarize what i see as your problem..

Trade:

- Buy 1,000 shares at a low price between the open and 10:45 AM Central. Much of the time, the best prices are between 9:15 AM Central and 10:30 AM Central.
- Sell 1,000 shares after price has risen $0.52/share, the two pennies to cover commissions.

Advice:

- This method works well a high percentage of the time but not 100%.
- Often the lowest prices of the morning are between 9:30 AM and 10:30 AM Central.
- Study the history of each symbol to see if there is a recent repeated pattern of such lows. Often the highest price is at 12:35 PM Central followed by a decline. Sometimes, not infrequently, prices rise around 1:00 PM Central, a bit more often after 1:30 PM Central.
- Watch %R, Vol indicator, KC for visual clues, which with practice will become obvious and instinctive.
- This is a high win rate method with relatively low risk. If you are not achieving 80% to 93% win rate or if you are suffering a large loss once in a while, then you are probably not trading with sufficient self-discipline, and/or too impatiently and/or not paying enough attention to/understanding the indicators. Or gambling greedily by buying more than 1,000 shares per symbol per trade – which is poor risk/money/position sizing management.
- Judgment is required for entry and exit, watching the indicators and time. This is not a good candidate for automated trading. It appears to be simple enough to automate, but trade this manually for a month or so, and you will see why this is not such a good automation candidate.
Scuba Steve
2081 Posts
Posted - 03/05/2012 08:38:11    
quote:
Originally posted by tachyonv
If I suddenly disappear from this forum and all others on March 8 or thereabouts, it will be because TS no longer functions due to its port changes. May have to switch to a different brokerage. What blockhead at TS thought up getting tens of thousands of clients to manually make all of those port settings for March 8?

I wonder how many (if any) professional Wall Street or Chicago traders have any interest in:

1. computer programming,

2. internet/network connectivity & management (port settings) or

3. troubleshooting breakdowns/instabilities in their platform/trader interface(s) with the market.

When/if my current platform stops connecting with the TradeStation trade servers
I will simply take the hint and move my funds elsewhere.

I am told that EL works just fine inside a certain competitor's platform
(in fact, it says so right on page one of their website).

Tachy - Sorry about this hijack, but you started it, lol

Now...back to Tachy's cool scalping method.
And btw, several of us have been silently reading (now over 10,600 views !!!) your very interesting thread.

-Scuba Steve
split
108 Posts
Posted - 03/06/2012 11:02:24    
2 losers yesterday on NFLX total -.62
1 winner today NFLX +.52
bwjr
132 Posts
Posted - 03/06/2012 11:44:58    
PRGO -.50, REGN -.50, VRTX +.52
Scuba Steve
2081 Posts
Posted - 03/06/2012 12:02:56    
quote:
Originally posted by split
2 loosers yesterday on NFLX total -.62
1 winner today NFLX +.52
quote:
Originally posted by bwjr
PRGO -.50, REGN -.50, VRTX +.52

It takes a brave soul to publically admit to losing money so I thank you folks for being so honest !

As presented (originally anyways) Tachy's system was long-only which works well in up markets.

This morning has not been an up market.

I look forward to folks discussing taking Tachy's system rules both long and short.

-Scuba Steve


cadi786
2856 Posts
Posted - 03/06/2012 13:05:40    
Repeat of my post from the other day (think Saturday) when forums were having posting issues -

On 1 minute Dow chart a double top, then break below a previous swing low. Pretty routine if you ask me:


split
108 Posts
Posted - 03/06/2012 13:11:09    
Scuba

Know what you mean, its really easy to post the winners and forget about the losers which gives a false impression in the post so I'm happy to post my losers so as not give the impression I am getting all winners.

Still maintaining a 80% winrate on smallish size and nice to get a winner on a down day.

Heres hoping tach is willing to share some more stuff before he leaves due to the Ports issue on 9th.
4trading
3431 Posts
Posted - 03/06/2012 13:15:04    
quote:
Originally posted by split


Heres hoping tach is willing to share some more stuff before he leaves due to the Ports issue on 9th.


The "ports issue" may turn out to be a "non-issue" for most of us, kind of like Y2K was. Ed Yardeni, are you listening?

**********************

Stomach flu? bummer.. Have you tried activated charcoal? It absorbs the baddies.
coolobjectgen
35 Posts
Posted - 03/06/2012 14:17:33    
This is great strategy. What I call it as "shake to support". usually at open during chop stock shakes to support and then rallies to noon.
Beware though this works only in bull market. Market may be moving to correction mode so this may not be great till market back in bull mode.
D a v i d
1470 Posts
Posted - 03/06/2012 16:07:12    
Tach,
I haven't traded stocks for years, but this thread inspired me to look into them again, and I have to say this is great. I've been so futures-focused have overlooked the potential in stocks. I'm using a different entry method so I don't want to hijack this thread, but shorted ACAT overnight, and long FOSL just before 2pm Central this afternoon.

Just wanted to say thanks for sharing and hope you're feeling better.
stockstrader
5665 Posts
Posted - 03/06/2012 21:56:16    
quote:
Originally posted by Scuba Steve
I am told that EL works just fine inside a certain competitor's platform
(in fact, it says so right on page one of their website).
-Scuba Steve



.. + no monthly platform fees + portfolio level simulation at no extra cost

Sorry for hijacking this thread

Altho I don't trade discretionary but I would also like to thank Tach for sharing his method for the discretionary traders
bwjr
132 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2012 11:41:41    
NFLX +0.75, MAKO +0.52
theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2012 11:50:34    
no trading last several days - back problems but played OPEN for +.45 this morning.

tach, I appreciate your stock trade postings. Not so much interested in what you made or didn't make, as much as which ones you selected. Thanks.
jaybee13
7 Posts
Posted - 03/07/2012 13:47:59    
Having studied Tach's entry points - particularly the ones he was very precise with on 15/2, it appears to me that on the 'entry' bar he opens the position after the bar has opened and before it ends. Have I got that right?

If so, would anyone be willing to share with me how that works. On the face of it there would appear to be the possibility of false entries with price reversals.

ant___
247 Posts
Posted - 03/08/2012 10:15:51    
NFLX 106.44 @ 10:00 = 0.52 PT.
theHook
3721 Posts
Posted - 03/08/2012 11:17:29    
took a +.42 on OPEN
ant___
247 Posts
Posted - 03/08/2012 11:26:18    
OPEN 42.43 @ 10:34. Sold 42.95 @ 11:18 = 0.52
migleve
13 Posts
Posted - 03/08/2012 11:56:37    
OPEN 42.35. Sold +0.52

Thanks Tach, once again
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